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Why do you work in this area, and how much time do you usually spend to solving tax problems?
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I work in tax litigation to help people fight incorrect tax assessments and hold the Canada Revenue Agency accountable.
I don't spend very much of my time solving tax problems in terms of researching tax laws. We have other roles here that are better at (and get more enjoyment from) tax research. Instead, I focus on breaking down clients' cases to understand the different facts we have to prove, evaluating chances of success for each issue, and finding evidence and arguments to increase the strength of our clients' positions. I help our team, and our clients understand the most likely result in Tax Court and what we can do to get the best return on investment for the costs involved.
I spend about a third of my time finding ways to resolve specific clients' tax problems and the rest of my time improving our knowledge and processes, so our team has the best tools and skills to relentlessly dig deeper into the issues and find creative solutions to win more cases.
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How do I know that Counter will be a good fit for me?
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Ask. If you tell us what you need, we’ll tell you if we think that Counter can give you what you need. Be honest and specific. Go deep. And if we can’t give you what you need, we’ll tell you.
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How do you enforce the culture at Counter?
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We don’t enforce culture. We don’t use force. We work, intentionally, to create and foster the culture that serves us. It starts with identifying people who are experts and who are aligned with our culture and values. When you hire the right people, things are easier (not easy, just easier). I know that everyone on the team has good intentions and has my back. And that’s a good start.
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Do you really need to hire a law clerk or paralegal? I feel like my law firm hired me because the lawyers wanted an accessory to get them coffee and make them look more important.
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Ummm … what?!? Yes, we need a law clerk and a paralegal. We don’t hire accessories.
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How do you view paralegals?
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I understand that you’re asking the question because you’ve seen (or experienced) that most law firms view and treat paralegals differently than lawyers. And I expect that makes you feel upset, uncomfortable, and dejected. We feel the same way. We don’t treat people like they’re less valuable professionals (or lesser humans) because they didn’t go to law school. I can spend a lot of time telling you how much I respect and like Joyce or Sigita. I view Joyce and Sigita like the other smart people that I know. I’m grateful to work with them, and I think that they have a lot of unique gifts to contribute to Counter’s clients. They’ve contributed a lot to my growth and learning, and I expect that they’ll continue to help me – and all of us – learn and grow.
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What is your background, and how did you end up working at Counter?
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I will not tell you my whole life story, but I completed my undergrad in law and decided to pursue my legal career in Canada. Four years later, I am working at one of the most impactful law firms. I applied at Counter, and after my first interview, I knew this was the kind of firm I wanted to work at and the kind of environment I wanted to be part of. After my second interview, I knew that Counter had good people who were smart and cared about helping other people. I was lucky enough to get mentorship and guidance to allow me to progress in my career.
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How do you hold each other accountable?
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We’re working on it. It’s really hard to do it the right way. We’ve struggled with accountability and the power shift that comes with the self-management journey. One day, the tension was so high that an impromptu “real talk” meeting broke out. We asked everyone to self-evaluate if they were “self-managing” or truly holding themselves accountable. And, after the self-evaluation, we asked everyone else to voice whether they thought that the self-evaluation was accurate. It was a tough (and intense) group conversation. But it sparked a series of healthy one-on-one conversations. We’re still learning to hold each other accountable (especially the people that were “managers” or “partners” in the old model). We’re working to create the right environment. I think that we’re on the right track.
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How do you feel when you get home after a long day at work
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I always feel good. I get excited to talk about my day was with my partner. That is because I work at the best firm with people who have my back. I’m always excited to come to work because I know that even if I’m having a tough day or struggling, I have a great support system.
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What made you choose this career?
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I have always had a passion for law. I always knew that I wanted to develop my career in this field so that I could help people. The bonus is that I get to work with awesome people who have the same goal.
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What do you think is the most essential qualification for this job?
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You need to have the right attitude and the drive to learn and grow. I get to work with smart people who make me better every day, and I want the next person that we hire to do the same. You need to be a go-getter who is not afraid to challenge the system and figure out ways to make things better.
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You guys are really focused on technology, right?
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No. We’re focused on doing great legal work, and increasing the depth and quality of our analysis. We're focused on winning and finding better ways to get from here to there. We believe that technology can help.
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What are the major duties of a law clerk or junior accountant in your firm?
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It depends. Every Counterpart energizes and divides their time between a few different roles. And every Counterpart energizes a unique “basket of roles”, roles that contain unique major duties. At this time, we’re working to hire a junior law clerk to fill a unique basket of roles. We invite you to review the job posting on our website for more information about the major duties and accountabilities of those roles.
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What would be the biggest challenge that Counter faces?
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Counter invites everyone to learn, unlearn, and relearn to create our best work. That’s really hard and sometimes painful. So, I’d say that’s the biggest challenge. I just started articling with Counter on August 6th (i.e., ten days ago). Early this week, I learned about self-management and how Counter’s legal team works. Then, unexpected events happened and led us to confront the things that weren't working (or could work better). So, I needed to forget everything that I just learned, wipe the slate clean, and figure out how to contribute to the building better and stronger legal roles. I appreciate that this is very confusing. And, I know that this is not the best way or example to illustrate our biggest challenge. I don’t really know how to describe it. You just need to be here, I guess (or you just need to be here longer than ten days). And, to make matters worse, Ryann (our legal editor and writing coach) is probably going to hate this run-on paragraph of my random thoughts.
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Would you rather hire a new law clerk graduate who is brand new to the field, but with a right attitude and have the high potential to grow to a 5-star law clerk or an experienced individual who doesn't need training at all, but might quit the job anytime when he/she finds a better niche?
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If forced to choose one, we’d likely choose the new graduate with the right attitude and the high potential. We value long-term partners, not short-term rentals.
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How can I mentally prepare myself to start working at Counter?
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Honestly, you can’t. We could try to explain how our culture transforms the standard office experience, how we aim to evolve the legal practice, or why we won’t stop talking about circles and accountabilities, but there’s no way to do that without sounding a little cultish. So, let’s say that Counter’s culture needs to be experienced first-hand.
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I hear a lot of stories and see things in the media that make me think that legal practice is intimidating. Should I expect Counter to be that cutthroat?
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Everybody at Counter wants everyone else to succeed and excel. Our understanding of “competition” is different in that we're competing against ourselves, not each other. This manifests as a culture of teaching, trust, and support. The people at Counter set the bar high in everything we do, and we know that the only way to accomplish our personal and team goals is to help everyone else create their best work.
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What surprised you the most about Counter?
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I thought a lot of what was on Counter's website was written just for marketing purposes, but it surprised me when I found it to be true. It was really refreshing because Counter is not trying to be something it's not just to gain attention, publicity, and a laugh. It accurately depicts Counter.
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If you could change one thing about Counter, what would you change?
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If I could change one thing about Counter, it would be the office temperature - it's so cold! But in all seriousness, it would probably be the sheer volume of work and handling various responsibilities at the same time (while ensuring that quality remains top-notch).
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If you could change one thing about Counter, what would you change?
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I want everything to move faster.
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Can I see court faster, and become a leader faster, at Counter than other places?
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We focus on getting less senior lawyers involved in files and litigation meaningfully (and on their feet at every appropriate opportunity). Your "station" or year call will not stop us from giving you more opportunities and responsibilities. We want you to lead. We want to make you an advocate. We want to provide you with autonomy. It's your job to learn, grow, and show the team (and our clients) that you are going to deliver so that you are in a position to earn the autonomy that we want to give you.
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What are the challenges that someone can expect to face in the role?
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First, our quality standards are high and learning how to hit that standard is really hard. You think you know what it means to be a law firm with a "high quality" standard? You don't. Second, we are more structured than most, and it takes some time to adjust. Third, our office environment is active and fast-paced. We have a lot of energy and a lot of ideas and, at times, it can get distracting.
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Is it correct to assume you use TaxNetPro, Quicklaw, etc.?
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Yup. And CounterMeasure. And some other stuff too.
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How does automation and saving clients money benefit me personally at the end of the day? Is it a tool to help me bring in business?
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It’s not about you. Well, it is, in part, but the complete answer is too long for this format.
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If I join Counter, how much can I use the associates to help me with work that I bring in?
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Do people like working with you? Are the clients and work that you plan to bring the clients and work that we want? Are these good clients and good people, with good files, and a significant amount at stake? What do you mean "use associates"? We're not going to compel anyone to be used by you. If it's the right fit, the team will do whatever it takes to do great work and get the job done. It's who we are. Anyway, you've probably never had access to better tools, support, and resources.
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Do you invest in R&D, technology, process improvement, etc.? If so, what percentage of your annual fee income is invested in the R&D budget?
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Answer coming soon.
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I think I'll like working at Counter better, but I'm really close to the people on my current team. Will I like the Counter team just as much?
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Yes.
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Every law firm claims to have an amazing culture. Is everything that I read and hear about Counter actually real or is it just more law firm marketing?
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We believe in being authentic and true to ourselves.
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What were the questions and factors that you considered before leaving [name withheld] to work at Counter?
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Most of the many questions that I asked Counter, and myself, during my decision-making process are already listed. However, some things don't fit in this format so I wrote an article to fill in some gaps. I'll post the article and the link as soon as it's done. Hope it helps!
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How difficult is it to learn to use Counter’s technology?
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Surprisingly easy in many ways. Hank is like Google for how to do anything at the firm. Other programs take longer to learn, but you’ll receive extensive training, and everyone’s always willing to answer questions.
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What are the advantages to summering/articling with Counter over a BigLaw firm?
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You won’t get lost in a sea of a dozen other students, and the firm’s decision to hire you back will depend on your personal performance rather than competition with other students. You’ll get involved in files at a deep level. You’ll work closely with – and learn from – everyone at the firm.
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Why should I choose to work for Counter Tax Lawyers over a Seven Sister, national, global, or other boutique firm? People know you’re doing something different, but no one really knows what that is. More importantly, they don’t know how what you’re doing makes your lawyers’ lives/careers better.
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You should choose to work for Counter if you have ideas about how to change the legal world or want to work with people who do. It’s not just rhetoric here. We constantly re-evaluate how we’re doing things and what we could be doing better. We have semi-automated workflows, and we’re continually improving them. So you always know where you’re at with a file and what the next steps are (which is something that doesn’t exist anywhere else and used to drive me crazy). Plus, Counter has eliminated a lot of the repetitive work, so I have more time for thinking and creating.
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What can you tell me about Counter’s file quality versus Boutique Competitor X or BigLaw Competitor Y? I can’t imagine the work would be any better.
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The complexity and challenge of the files is the same as the files that I worked on at [law firm name withheld], or any other Big Four or BigLaw firm. The main differences are (1) the clients, who are generally private company CEOs and high-net-worth individuals are fully invested in the outcome of their files; and (2) the level of involvement in files for students / junior lawyers, who get to contribute to the file throughout the whole process, including attending client meetings and drafting court submissions. Junior lawyers don’t get the opportunity to contribute to this extent at most other law firms.
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What kind of files are you working on?
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Right now, I’m working on objections, appeals, and voluntary disclosures dealing with a variety of issues, including capital cost allowance, SR&ED, and transfer pricing.
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What does a [3rd-year] lawyer do in a typical day at Counter?
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It depends on the day. I might spend the day doing research, drafting legal memorandums, or crafting court submissions. On another day, I might meet with clients, attend examinations for discovery, or participate in a settlement conference.
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How does Counter attract and retain clients in the large Toronto market?
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We do quality work, and we build relationships.
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Can I build my own book of business and personal reputation while I work for Counter?
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Yes.
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What is your technology / how does your technology (e.g., CounterMeasure) change what you do day to day?
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Our technology puts us in a position to focus on high-level work and conduct deeper analysis. We do not doubt that our tools lead to accelerated growth and development.
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If I accept a 2L position, what can I do at law school this year to proactively prepare myself for a smooth transition to summer student work at Counter and enhance my contribution to the firm?
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Learn everything you can about Counter. We will encourage you to visit and study at our Toronto office during the school year. This way, you can integrate with the team as quickly as possible. If you are really keen, you can write an article with a team member or work with us in some other way (as long as it doesn’t interfere with your studies – we prefer you to be smart and educated).
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A summer internship is a short amount of time, but is there still an opportunity for students to work on litigation cases?
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We try. We take pride in giving our team members the best experience.
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What are my chances of getting hired back?
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We hope team members start and finish their careers with us. The hire-back probability is based on your attitude, values, and performance. We will mentor, coach, and take every reasonable action to give you the opportunity to succeed and be a long-term member of our team.
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Do you have requirements for what courses I take in my second/third year?
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Yes, tax courses. Writing courses wouldn’t go amiss.
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Do you provide the requisite technology you expect me to use (BlackBerry, laptop, etc.)?
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We provide laptops to articling students.
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How much do you pay 2Ls and articling students?
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We pay 2Ls and articling students $80,000 per annum.
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What’s the benefit of articling within a specialized practice rather than rotating through a full-service firm?
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Tax and litigation are hard and require complete devotion. We believe that working in a specialized practice is the best way to develop expertise.
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Would I be part of a group of students, and if so, how does your firm maintain a collaborative mentality rather than a competitive one?
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We hope to offer a 2L student a position. However, if we uncover two outstanding candidates, we may hire two 2L students.
We do not tolerate toxic behaviour or a dysfunctional environment. We identify it, openly discuss it, and move forward. We reinforce and evaluate positive behaviours in our performance evaluations.
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Do summer students get a chance to work with clients or sit in on client meetings?
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Yes. I attended a settlement conference on day 2. You will get a lot of experience and exposure.
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What kind of writing does Counter do with Thomson Reuters and do students have input on what kind of articles they pursue?
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Counter is publishing five chapters in the Thomson Reuters Tax Disputes & Resolution Centre, available through the TaxNet Pro™ research service. The chapters are on corporate residence, judicial review, tax settlements, tax shelters, and civil tax penalties. We also have a (lengthy) list of other writing and presentation topics and ideas that we intend to pursue someday. Students can choose from the list of yet-to-be-written chapters or persuade us that another topic would deliver more value.
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How much supervision vs. independence can summer students expect to have?
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We collaborate with every team member and put them in the best position to chase their potential. You won’t feel like we’re standing over your shoulder, but nor will you feel like you’re alone on a lifeboat.
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What do I do if I feel like I’m not receiving the training I need?
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You won't. But, if something isn't right, we will work together and fix it. We're pretty open and talk about everything.
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Is there a chance for me to work with CounterMeasure?
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We just deployed CounterMeasure 1.3 in every Tax Court appeal. If you work on Counter’s Legal team, you work with CounterMeasure.
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Can you please give me an example of an assignment given to a summer/articling student in the past?
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Last week, I drafted a notice of appeal to support our client’s position in a matter with $700,000 in tax in dispute.
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What's the first type of work assignment that typically comes to mind for summer interns and articling students?
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Build a relevance diagram related to X.
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What is it like litigating and being a lawyer at Counter Tax?
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It feels like riding a unicorn.
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Do you collaborate with lawyers from other law firms or is Counter Tax self-sufficient?
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We regularly collaborate with other law firms on non-tax litigation matters. We don’t believe this makes us any less self-sufficient.
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Is working at Counter easier than working at more traditional law firms?
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No. We strongly believe that, in many ways, it is much harder. Ask us about it in your interview.
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Does everyone have billable targets?
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Yes. Everyone on the legal team has a billable target. However, we believe productivity and success go hand-in-hand with a healthy work-life balance. So, we work with each person to agree on a billable target that makes sense for them and the team. What billable target makes sense for you?
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Do you expect me to talk to clients?
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Yes, and we think that you will enjoy it and learn a lot. Our clients are good, smart people. We have a no a**hole rule. It includes clients.
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Who are your clients? Where do you get them? What does the typical client look like for Counter?
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We represent established and financially successful private companies, as well as high-net-worth individuals
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I understand that Counter believes in incorporating tax and legal technology to accelerate lawyer development and deliver better client results. How have Counter’s advanced systems changed its lawyers and the results they deliver?
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Yes, we believe that tax lawyers working with technology are more powerful than tax lawyers working alone. Our proprietary software and systems enhance our lawyers' legal capabilities, faster.
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When will I be expected to start bringing in clients?
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At our firm, you can define your contribution to our collective goals. We don't prescribe that team members must solely focus on client acquisition. Recognizing that everyone possesses unique gifts and interests, we engage in open discussions to align and agree on how you can make progress toward your goals and contribute to our firm's objectives, too.
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What competitive advantage does Counter Tax have?
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James :) What’s yours?
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Is this position opening in response to an upcoming project or goal, higher volumes of incoming work, or recent departures?
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We're adding team members to handle higher volumes of incoming work. We expect a lot more, too.
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Can I bring a dog to work?
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It depends. We’ll talk.
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Are there snacks?
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Yes.
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What does your compensation model or process look like?
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[coming soon]
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What is the future of this firm? How do I play a role in it?
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The future of our firm looks bright and full of possibilities. Your contributions, dedication, and commitment to both your professional and personal growth and the success of the team are essential. Together, we'll continue to strengthen our position as Canada's leading tax litigation boutique, and your involvement will help us achieve our shared goals.
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In five years, does Counter see itself remaining a small boutique? Or does it see itself rapidly growing and expanding its employee and client base?
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Both. We don’t see ourselves becoming the next McCarthy’s. We choose to be great, not big. We do expect to expand our market share significantly. We’re not doing this to be the #2 tax litigation boutique.
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Is the firm planning on expanding and growing in the next few years?
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We expect that Counter will 10X notices of appeal filed and 3X our team size in the next five years.
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What is the work culture? Are you collaborative, or do people work in silos?
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Highly collaborative environment. We believe in collective intelligence, and we value different perspectives and ideas. We always pursue the best idea or argument rather than blindly accepting the idea or argument of the most senior person in the room. Our office layout encourages collaborative work, e.g., open office, breakout spaces, collaboration screens and systems, etc.
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What "Counter qualities" do you take pride in?
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We take pride in our unwavering commitment to delivering outstanding results and experiences to our clients. Our focus remains on continuous (individual and collective) improvement and innovation within our context. We believe that by consistently striving for excellence and embracing a holistic approach, we can achieve the highest tax litigation standards and results.
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What resounding trait is common in your team?
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We are working on figuring this out. We call it “Missing Core Value #6”. It’s like a missing jigsaw piece, and trying to find it is driving us a little crazy. We are playing with “Give”, “Be Selfless”, “Commit”, “All in”, and “Partners”.
We think it has to do with how we invest in each other or how we look out for one another. It has to do with how we are all committed to putting each other in the best position. It’s about putting you ahead of me and knowing that, when it comes time, you will do the same thing.
If you find the right word for this kind of thing, let us know. Immediately. (Ideally, it would be a one-word verb that’s not lame, but hey, we’ll take what you’ve got.)
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What are the inner workings or culture of the firm like?
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Our firm's culture centers on a strong ethos of personal responsibility and collaboration. We encourage each team member to take full ownership of their roles and contributions. This sense of autonomy goes hand in hand with a commitment to continuous learning and proactive problem-solving. We value creativity, open communication, and diverse perspectives, creating an environment where feedback is constructive and everyone feels empowered to contribute. By fostering individual accountability within a supportive community, we enhance individual development and collective success, ensuring a balanced and dynamic workplace.
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How frequently does the firm provide feedback to its team members?
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Our feedback process is both dynamic and ongoing, key to fostering accelerated development in your capabilities. We offer real-time feedback for most assignments, a practice we find crucial for enhancing learning and skill improvement. Our system also empowers team members to proactively seek both formal and informal feedback whenever needed, with a commitment to providing timely responses. Additionally, we support and guide team members in self-reflection, allowing you to evaluate your current skills and pinpoint areas for growth. This approach is integral to our shared objective of continual advancement and development.
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Do you support further relevant education (CPA, mini MBA, etc.)?
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Yes, our firm is committed to creating an environment that encourages and supports personal and professional development. For example, all new lawyers at our firm will enrol in and complete CPA Canada’s In-Depth Tax course and the Advocates’ Society Skills Certificate. All team members are encouraged to complete other continuing education courses, e.g., Lean Six Sigma, writing workshops, project management, etc.
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Does the firm support and facilitate opportunities for associates to write articles and present at conferences or client events?
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Yes, our firm actively encourages and supports associates to speak at conferences and client events. We will work together to set your path and help you build your professional profile as you see fit. These opportunities are crucial in accelerating your professional development, enhancing your visibility in the field, and expanding your network. We'll support you and help give you ideas, share our experiences, and put you in the best position.
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Could you tell me about the potential for advancing to income and equity partner in the future?
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A partnership at our firm is not just a position, but a recognition of significant professional growth and meaningful contribution. While there isn't a fixed timeline, we focus on nurturing your capabilities at an accelerated pace. As you develop and contribute significantly, your journey towards partnership becomes more apparent. We value flexibility and merit, and each path to partnership is as unique as the individual pursuing it.
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What attributes or behaviors stand out to you as particularly impressive?
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People who genuinely desire to enhance their capabilities and contribute meaningfully. We value authentic qualities in our team members. Integrity stands paramount, followed closely by intelligence, determination, humility, gratitude, and self-awareness.
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What do you believe are Counter’s greatest strengths?
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Our relationships, high standards, hunger to build the law firm we want to see in the world, and humility.
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Do you plan career advancement? If so, is it based on the employee’s interests or the firm’s needs?
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We provide diverse work experiences and actively collaborate with you to shape your career vision. Together, we'll craft a plan that aligns your personal goals with our collective objectives, ensuring an integrated approach to your professional development in tax litigation.
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What are the opportunities for growth?
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At our firm, you'll find an environment where your growth and development are a priority. We provide hands-on experience and mentorship to help you rapidly enhance your skills. This approach is designed to directly benefit your career, offering you the chance to play a significant role in the evolving field of tax litigation in Canada. Your success is integral to our collective progress, and we are committed to supporting you every step of the way.
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I'm a junior lawyer, and I'm thinking about switching from a different practice area to start practising tax law. What steps do you suggest that I take to make the switch?
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We get excited when we see candidates that have worked to gain knowledge or experience in (1) decision analysis or statistics; or (2) tax litigation. So gaining knowledge in those areas is a good idea if you want to work with us. We're looking for strong evidence of interest and intent. For example, on the tax side, strong evidence might include working on completing CPA Canada's In-Depth Tax Program or Osgoode's Professional LLM in Tax Law. Or proof might consist of independent blog articles or articles published on decision analysis in litigation. It's always neat to meet candidates that are really creative and can show that they're really interested in the same nerdy stuff as us.
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Why do you work in this area? How much time do you usually spend solving tax problems?
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I work in tax litigation to help people fight incorrect tax assessments and hold the Canada Revenue Agency accountable.
I focus on breaking down clients' cases to understand the different facts that we need to prove to satisfy the legal test, evaluating our chances of success for each issue, and finding evidence and arguments to increase the strength of our clients' positions.
I help our team and our clients understand the most likely result in Tax Court and what we can do to get the best return on investment.
I spend about a third of my time finding ways to resolve specific clients' tax problems and the rest of my time improving our knowledge and processes so our team has the best tools and skills to relentlessly dig deeper into the issues and find creative solutions to win more cases.
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What is the team's favourite office tradition?
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Are the professional roles within the company that are outside of the traditional law roles regarded with as much importance and support?
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Yes.
We see that different people and professionals bring unique and valuable perspectives, skills, and gifts. And we believe that our collective intelligence, and our success, requires all those unique perspectives, skills, and gifts.
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If time and funds were unlimited, what would you like to implement or improve?
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Great question. CounterMeasure is our immediate answer. Counter's purpose is to deliver better litigation outcomes using advanced advocacy skills and CounterMeasure. Our experience is that using CounterMeasure on our active files leads us to better litigation outcomes and leads us to develop more advanced advocacy skills and insights. CounterMeasure creates a virtuous cycle. And, although our time and money are not unlimited, we are currently building CounterMeasure 3.3. We hope and expect to release CM 3.3 internally in eight weeks. We’re very excited. It's the best gift for litigators like us.
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What is Counter’s "Success Mantra"?
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We don’t have a success mantra. It’s a good idea. We’re going to think about this and come up with something. In the interim, I guess our organizational purpose is our success mantra.
Here is Counter’s current (and always evolving) purpose:
To deliver better tax litigation outcomes using new ways of seeing, thinking, and executing so that people create and grow more successful organizations.
Now, I’m going to spend lunch developing a success mantra with other Counterparts.
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